September 13, 2024
By Steve Blumenthal
“We are here, we’d be better off here.”
— Steve Blumenthal, CMG, On My Radar
We talked about valuations last week and received many thoughtful responses. I want to share one particularly excellent one from Dan S: “Hi Steve, I have loved reading your weekly letters for a number of years now. When speaking of and addressing current equity valuations relative to history and the various valuation metrics that you share with us, I believe there is one aspect of market valuation that is being overlooked right now. I believe the equity market understands that the debasement of currency will be the only way out of our current debt situation. I also think that the markets are discounting this prospect.
“Since equities can be used as a currency debasement and inflation hedge to some degree, the market is discounting future equity prices because of the likelihood of currency debasement. Historically speaking, current valuations may be stretched, but looking forward, they may be fairly priced given the probable currency debasement and inflation outlook. In the past, we have never been this stretched in terms of debt load, except maybe back in the 40s. Your thoughts? Much appreciated! Thank you for all of the hard work!”
First, Dan, thank you for your kind words and perspective. Your argument is sound, and I believe you are in the right direction. Though, like most things in our business, the answer is nuanced.
The answer, I think, falls somewhere between historical fair value and an upward bias. If the 60-year historical average for Median PE is 17.7, perhaps a Median PE of 20 is the currency debasement-adjusted number. A Median PE of 20 sits slightly above the “We’d be better off here” green arrow in the following chart. We can debate the point, but Dan presents an interesting perspective.
Take another look at the above chart.
Based on current earnings, a 20 PE would bring the market down to approximately 4,200. The S&P 500 Index closed at 5,595 yesterday. It will take a market decline of 25% to reach 4,200. That seems logical to me.
Felix Zulauf shared the following chart in a recent research piece. (I liked the organized data, so I’m sharing it with you today with NDR’s permission.) The chart creates a long-term trend line, showing the market at points that neared or exceeded the upper trend line as well as where it neared the bottom trend line. We can all agree that markets move from periods of undervaluation to overvaluation over time. We can also agree that when we buy an asset at a good price, we do better than overpaying for an asset. There is a reason one of the greatest value investors of all time, Warren Buffett, is sitting on $276.9 billion in cash.
Before your eyes roll to the back of your head, here’s how to read the chart:
- First, note the red ‘we are here’ arrow.
- P/B = Price to Book
- P/D = Price to Dividend
- P/E = Price to Earnings (actual trailing 12-months)
- The green ‘we’d be better off here’ arrow gives us a sense of the valuation attributes on average.
- If Dan’s currency debasement argument is correct, we likely won’t hit the bottom dotted trend line. We may even decline back towards the middle. Looking at the right scale in the chart, which plots the S&P 500 index level, see where 4200 sits between the dotted trend lines and median PE 3733 sits slightly north of the middle—both reasonable targets in my view.
- The idea here is to gain a historical perspective to understand where past extremes existed.
- Lastly, compare the CURRENT (red “we are here” arrow) to the average in the yellow, highlighted top section. The Price to Book is 4.7 vs. 2.9. The Price to Dividend is 78.5 to 49.6. The Price to Earnings is 25.7 to 20.1.
- Bottom line: Compared to past market peaks shown near the upper end of the dotted trend line, only the March 2000 valuation high (letter L in the data box bottom right) was higher. The word bubble is appropriate.
One last valuation chart, and we’ll call it a day. The following looks at the total stock market cap vs. Nominal Gross Domestic Income. It then plots a long-term trend line (dotted, up-sloping, blue line). Again, the dotted line could be shifted higher using Dan’s logic.
I have trouble moving too far from historical average valuations, so I’d use the work to help set investment entry targets. And if you believe inflation is due to continued currency debasement, as Dan and I do, then perhaps shift your entry targets slightly higher. Bottom line: It’s hard not to see how overvalued our current situation is.
Source: NDR
Grab a coffee and find your favorite chair. We’ll take a quick look at the long-term trend in interest rates and the current direction in yields.
On My Radar:
- Assets in Inflationary Regimes – Louis Vincent Gave
- Trade Signals – The Long-term Trend in Interest Rates
- Random Tweets
- Personal Note: Bikes and Boston
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Assets in Inflationary Regimes – Louis Vincent Gave
I wrote about Louis Gave in April this year when he presented at Mauldin’s Economic Conference. (Read that letter here.)
Gave argues that we’re in an “Inflationary Boom” cycle. Here’s his basic argument:
- Bonds are not a good investment in rising inflation–rising interest rate cycles.
- He suggested that Energy is a better portfolio alternative than bonds.
- Commodities appear ready to break out to new highs—gold has impressive momentum.
Gave concluded that we’re in an inflationary cycle, with big forces behind it that will not change anytime soon.
I also covered Gave’s Mauldin Economics presentation in 2018. The following chart stood out. Remember, this was 2018. The shift to an “Inflationary Boom” did take place, and that remains his base case (and mine) going forward. I’d add high and growing dividend stocks at fairly priced entry points to the Inflationary Boom asset section. Such companies are more value-oriented investments and much better priced from a valuation perspective. Avoid high-debt companies.
Finally, note the “Sell: Long-term bonds” in the Inflationary Boom quadrant. Agreed.
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Trade Signals – The Long-term Trend in Interest Rates
“Extreme patience combined with extreme decisiveness. You may call that our investment process. Yes, it’s that simple.”
– Charlie Munger
Let’s not forget that the critical input in the economic equation is the cost of money. Thus, the direction and level of interest rates matter!
I shared the following chart with Trade Signals subscribers. It examines the beginning and end of the long secular decline in the 10-year Treasury Yield.
The red brackets mark the downtrend high and low yield levels from the early 1980s. Note the blue shout-out box, which shows the point at which the great bond bull market ended. That’s when yields broke above the top end of the long-term down trending channel.
The bottom section of the chart plots MACD trend lines. Red arrows signal a rising interest rate trend, and green arrows show a declining interest rate trend. The red arrow in 2021 was an excellent rising interest rate signal. The current signal is green. It, too, has done a good job of identifying the dominant direction in yields.
Source: Stockcharts.com
I prefer to look at the monthly MACD to identify the predominant trend and the weekly MACD for trading purposes. The following is a weekly MACD chart. It is currently signaling lower interest rates. The yellow zone is where I believe the 10-year yield is going. The next significant level is 3.25%. The current yield is 3.67%.
A recession would likely drive yields to the lower end of the yellow range (call it 2.50%). That makes sense to me as it would also represent a test of the breakout above the upper red trend line in the above chart.
Stockcharts.com
Long-term value investors may use technical analysis for entry points but are less likely to focus on technical charts, which makes sense. Short-term traders may favor the weekly MACD for trading purposes. It can be fun if you have the time and discipline to trade.
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Random Tweets – Looks Like a 50 bps Cut Next Week
Two more:
Source @spomboy
Source: @gave_vincent
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Personal Note: Bikes and Boston
Coach Sue’s Malvern Prep Friers soccer team was behind. With just three minutes left in the game, they took the lead. Lawrenceville then countered and tied the game with less than 60 seconds left. The game finished 3-3.
The coach huddled the team and said, “This one feels like a loss, doesn’t it?” It did. She went on to focus on the positives.
The team has three wins and one tie in the season so far. This was the first time the boys had to come from behind. All good things. Next up is a 6 pm game tomorrow night. It’s going to be a good one. Go Friers!
The weather in the Northeast has been and looks to continue to be spectacular through Monday. The leaves are just starting to change. A wonderful time of year.
Golf is on the agenda for tomorrow and again next week, as I’m flying to Boston for meetings next Wednesday, which includes gold with a good friend (hat tip and thank you to John L). We’ll be playing Cohasset Golf Club, a Donald Ross-designed course and one of John’s home courses.
I was in NYC for meetings last Monday. I needed to get downtown, and my daughter Brianna suggested I take a CitiBike with a boost. This was a first for me, and biking down the West Side Highway, the boost was tremendous! Start peddling, and the bike speeds up for you. As Brianna put it, “The boost is a life-changing experience.” I concur.
Brie and Steve (dad w computer in front basket)
But before going to Boston, golf at Stonewall is on this weekend’s plate. I thought I’d share a picture of Stonewall taken by my good friend Michael Gale. He walks the course almost every morning, and I’m always happy when he sends a photo my way. If you’ve joined me as a guest at Stonewall, shoot me a note with your guess as to which hole this is.
Stonewall Golf Course, Elverson PA (photo by Michael Gale)
Hope you have fun plans in your immediate future. Thanks for reading!
Kind regards,
Steve
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“The blue line in the lower section shows how much the orange line is above or below the long-term trend line. It is currently in the “Overvalued” zone. Lastly, the data boxes at the bottom of the chart display the annualized gains based on each zone (Overvalued, Fairly Valued – blue line in the middle zone, or Undervalued).”Please take note of the following text:
“The blue line in the lower section shows how much the orange line is above or below the long-term trend line. It is currently in the “Overvalued” zone. Lastly, the data boxes at the bottom of the chart display the annualized gains based on each zone (Overvalued, Fairly Valued – blue line in the middle zone, or Undervalued).”